Holidame ([info]iyoichi) wrote,
@ 2007-12-11 09:32:00
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I'm Putting a Moratorium Down.
I had an argument with one of my students a short while back. A nine year old who said something really nasty to another student and prefaced it with, "No offense, but..."

When the other girl started to get upset, she argued that she had said "no offense" and so everything was okay. So, I got to my knees, put my hands on her shoulders and asked her if she knew what she said would hurt her. When she replied in the affirmative, I told her that grown-ups had to learn how to keep things like that to themselves, and the next time she was going to say something that was neither constructive or kind, to say nothing at all.

And so, I say to you adults, no longer will you be allowed to use the phrase "No Offense".

Seriously. Stop it. It does not excuse you from saying offensive things. It means you can recognize that what you are going to say is going to be offensive, and you have not learned the art of being a grown-up and keeping your mouth shut when you know something is going to hurt the person you are talking to. Why say it then? Why not be constructive?

Just so everyone knows, I'm not taking this out on any one in particular. I just hate that phrase being thrown around, and it feels like lately, my friends have been that last straw. Its immature and an irresponsible use of the language.




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[info]street_howitzer
2007-12-11 04:37 pm UTC (link)
Hear, hear. I'd like to also point out, in that same vein, that "No offense..." seems to be the excuse of choice for people who are about to vent something extremely vile.

Like:
-No offense to you and your fiance, but I think that mixing of the races is morally wrong.
-No offense to you, since I know that you're gay, but I think that gay marriage should be made illegal.
-I'm not trying to offend you, but you should know--since you're a woman--that all women are overly emotional about stupid stuff.

In other words, people who adopt "No offense..." as their defense against being attacked are adopting language that was, first and most often, used by racists, sexists, and bigots to excuse their hatred right in front of the victims of that hatred. That isn't to say that everyone who uses that excuse is racist/sexist/bigoted; it's fair to argue that the nine-year-old you're talking about is not. But the anti-PC crowd that thinks that racism and hatred are edgy, funny, and cool are the ones who started it.

Basically, it puts the responsibility of their own opinions on the listener, and not the speaker. The speaker gets to claim that they didn't mean to hurt anyone's feelings, so anyone who gets offended is obviously being overly sensitive, or isn't listening correctly. It's a "Get Out Of Being Called The Asshole You Are, Free" card.

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[info]iyoichi
2007-12-11 04:52 pm UTC (link)
Your icon scared me for a moment.

And you know what? Even if it didn't have that background, it would still make me angry for that last reason. That's why I think its immature to not take responsibility for your own words. "Oh, you can't get offended! I said you couldn't at the very beginning!" No. It doesn't work like that. Say what you are going to say and take responsibility for the consequences.

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[info]street_howitzer
2007-12-11 04:57 pm UTC (link)
Sorry! I just think it's funny. ;~;

Yeah. It's like saying "You're a poopyhead, no takebacks" after about, say, second grade.

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[info]iyoichi
2007-12-11 05:03 pm UTC (link)
It scared me poopless. "O NOES! SHE'S MAD AT ME!!!!1!11" ^^;

Exactly. However, I will say that dA sucks at the moment.

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[info]street_howitzer
2007-12-11 05:08 pm UTC (link)
Nah, I was more mad at the "No offense"'ers. =3

Sloppily, yes.

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[info]iyoichi
2007-12-11 05:13 pm UTC (link)
Ah. Good. Also, quit picking icons that make me shiver in a way which I cannot decide is good or bad.

Also? Balls. What the shit happened? And why can't I read more of your fic? ;~;

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[info]street_howitzer
2007-12-11 05:25 pm UTC (link)
It's good, baby. ;)

I don't know. I got one page to work for a second, but not anymore. >_<;;;

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[info]iyoichi
2007-12-11 05:31 pm UTC (link)
Ah. I thought it might be. <3

Lets see how my LJ inbox works... lol, pseudo IM service...

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[info]street_howitzer
2007-12-11 05:38 pm UTC (link)
I just replied. Did you get it?

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[info]street_howitzer
2007-12-11 05:16 pm UTC (link)
Also, yeah, this agreement on my part makes me a hypocrite, given that I just left a comment on one of your other threads that started with "No offense to you...".

In that case, though, I really didn't mean to offend that particular person. I wasn't trying to attack them as a human being, or anything. I think that there's a difference.

Compare:
-No offense to you, but I don't like something you did.
-...but I don't like something you are.
-...but I think that something you did that I don't like makes you a bad person.

I was going for the first, which I think is an acceptable way of using "NO" in conversation. x_x

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[info]iyoichi
2007-12-11 05:19 pm UTC (link)
Well, I'll forgive you this once. See, you're taking responsibility for what you said. And you can apologize for it, can't you? That's all I need to know. Don't put responsibility on the other person for your own words. Its a double attack.

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[info]street_howitzer
2007-12-11 05:25 pm UTC (link)
Yeah. If she got offended, I'd say I was sorry. Thar we go.

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